HM Schooner Pickle replica.

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  • #10261
    Alan Gardiner
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    It seems that a replica of HM Schooner Pickle is on its way back to England from Malta.
    I woud be grateful for any information regarding the status of the vessel in terms of authenticity, particularly in the light of a conflicting view that the said vessel had been built in 1995 as the Alevtina Tuy.

    Renamed Pickle for the 2005 Trafalgar celebration I would suggest that she is a representation in name alone and cannot in that situation have recognition as a replica .
    Looking at correspondence between the owner and the media the owner maintains his Pickle replica standing throughout.
    You guidance in this issue would be welcome.

    #10292
    Frank Scott
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    Peter Goodwin (former Keeper & Curator of HMS Victory) covers the Pickle in The Ships of Trafalgar (Conway Maritime Press, 2005) pp. 154-9. In particular he examines her origins, and details her 1803 refit. He informs me that although the owners did their best to make the vessel look right for the Trafalgar 200 celebrations; the information about the 1803 refit was not available to them when they did the work. Moreover, she was a minor war vessel that was bought into service, for which there are no detailed plans, so it would be impossible to build an ‘exact replica’. She is a representation.

    Frank Scott

    #10332
    Alan Gardiner
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    Thank you for your post. I am aware of two occasions Pickle had been refitted in 1804, 29th June to the 14th July at Portsmouth being docked in the merchant dock from 5th of July and secondly from 9th October to 13th October at Plymouth.
    I appreciate your opinion on the current HM Schooner Pickle and I am grateful for your recommendation on further research.

    Alan Gardiner

    #10341
    Frank Scott
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    I note that a new book has been published (5 Oct 2015) which should answer all your questions.
    HMS Pickle: The Swiftest Ship in Nelson’s Trafalgar Fleet By Peter Hore

    Not read it yet, but he is a well-regarded historian.

    #10363

    Pickle has very little to do with her historic namesake except in rig and that only as could be imagined. She is merely a representation, and approximate at that, built upon the hull of a real replica Russian and north Baltic trading vessel, one of two (four?) built near St Petersburg in 1995. I believe I am right in saying she attended the Bristol International Festival of the Sea in 1996 under her Russian name and replica identity.

    It is deeply worrying that the over enthusiastic “replica” term given to her for 2005 has persisted. It is not a help to anyone that it does. In any other world, advertising or referring to her as such might well lead to the Standards authority taking action. It is a shame.

    #14778
    Alan Gardiner
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    Thank you for your welcome advise on the research and opinion on the claimed replica of H M Schooner Pickle now based in Kingston upon Hull. l have followed the story of the vessel doing my own research and referencing other works from Peter Hore and Gorden Fricker, as well as decuments available in the Hull archives.
    My question here is are there any recorded occasions that HM Schooner Pickle visited Kingston upon Hull before her loss in 1808? Nothing can be found in the archives at Hull but the owner of the claimed to be replica Pickle insists she was, proclaiming a direct cnnection with the city.
    Any help and opinion would be welcomed.

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