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I did not know that the SNR had a policy of using ‘it’ in reference to ships. If this is so, when was this decision made? The text on the inside front cover of The Mariner’s Mirror refers to ‘her’ restoration concerning HMS Victory and to ‘her’ role regarding Foudroyant.
In another forum I have expressed regret at longstanding naval custom being overridden and discarded by current -and ephemeral – gender sensitivities and I questioned just who is taking the long view. In this case, what respect is being shown to those generations of sailors down the many centuries, in battle and the breeze, who knew their ships as ‘she’ and ‘her’? What value do we put on ‘their art, craft and mystery … in all ages and among all nations’?
We all are but very temporary stewards of a proud heritage and we should exercise our responsibility with care and proper humility.
- This reply was modified 1 year, 2 months ago by Lawrie Phillips.
Captain Jack Aubrey, sometime Captain of HMS Surprise, turned a blind eye – or a deaf ear – to his Surgeon, Dr Stephen Maturin, conversing in ‘Irish’ with one or two members of the ship’s company.
Thank you. I am most grateful for your expert advice.
Nine coins of the Realm were placed beneath the masts of the Royal yacht Victoria and Albert at Pembroke Dockyard, all dated 1899, the year of her launching. These were recovered when the ship was broken up and were displayed in a case on board HMY Britannia.
And another – if the Great Lakes can count as ‘at sea’. In 2002 our Canadian Overseas Corresponding Member, Professor Barry Gough, published his Fighting Sail on Lake Huron and Georgian Bay. The War of 1812 and its Aftermath, Annapolis, ISBN 1-55068-114-1.
Our fellow member, Robert Gardiner, edited a fine work: The Naval War of 1812, London 1998 (ISBN 1 86176 063 9). There were some First Division contributors – and SNR worthies – Andrew Lambert, Roger Morriss and Robert Malcomson.
John, Tony and Frank
Many thanks for your invaluable advice – my acknowledgement is belated due to a swan to sunny climes – see the Naval History in Madeira? query below.
LawrieMarch 17, 2008 at 12:00 am in reply to: News of Waterloo brought to London by the Royal Navy? #2380
I have since found a piece in The Times of 23 June 1815 (p.2 col.A) referring to a London Gazette Extraordinary of the previous day, Thursday 22 June, which reports that:
‘Major the Honourable H. Percy arrived late last night [?21 June] with a dispatch from Field Marshal the Duke of Wellington KG to Earl Bathurst, his Majesty’s Principal Secretary of State for the War Department, …..’
sent from Waterloo June 19 1815.
Facts confound what had the makings of a very promising story …
There are entries on the origins of the Broad Arrow in The Mariner’s Mirror:
– Vol 1: pp 49, 139, 183, 217, 282
– Vol 2: pp 57, 88, 123
– Vol 5: pp 24, 59
– Vol 6: pp 220, 251
– Vol 7: p 188
Marryat refers to the Broad Arrow in Ch 3 of The King’s Own –
“The broad-headed arrow was a mark assumed at the time of the Edwards as distinguishing the property of the King …. Every article supplied to his Majesty’s service is thickly studded with this mark, and to be found in possession of any property so marked is a capital offence”.
There is a mention in Holland’s Discourses of the Navy (Navy Records Society) p.238.
There is a brief entry in Tony Dalton’s British Royal Yachts (Tiverton 2002) and a photograph of a model of the ship which is in the National Maritime Museum.
– Completed December 1833
– Launched on the lake at Virginia Water 13 May 1834
– Broken-up 1877
– Guns: 22 x 1-pdrs – went to Royal Yacht Squadron at Cowes
There was much discussion of the Broad Arrow in the first three or four volumes of The Mariner’s Mirror. I would be happy to provide volume and page details. This subject is not my part of ship but there is variously mention of the use of this mark by the Newcastle collector of customs in 1598 and of the charter granted in 1687 by James II to the Tower of London ‘upon all which Boundary Houses his Majesty’s mark, the Broad Arrow’.